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Good questions for your appointment. One thing I found useful was asking the GP to explain the T-score in plain terms, what it actually means day to day, not just the clinical category. Sounds like you're already thinking along those lines. The walking and food changes are the right instinct. x
Not just you. The dryness and the sensitivity are really common at this stage and they're treatable. Worth being specific with your GP about the physical sensation, not just the avoidance, so they have the full picture. Writing it down first is a good call. The lubricant is not contraband. Put it on the shelf. x
Snap. I handed my GP a printed list. Literally just bullet points: dryness, rawness, UTI symptoms that came back clear, libido. Didn't have to say any of it out loud at first, just passed it across the desk. She read it and took it seriously straightaway. Writing it down as you have is already the hard part done. x
The chickening out in appointments, yes. I've done it so many times. I think for me it's partly not wanting to seem like I've been googling too much. But you've been on HRT six years, you're not being dramatic, these are completely reasonable questions to ask. I hope you manage to say the real thing this time.
Oh love, I could have written half of this. That almost-UTI feeling that isn't quite a UTI, yes, I kept going back to the GP thinking it was an infection and it just... wasn't. Nobody had ever mentioned it could be this. Really glad you've written it all down. Fingers crossed Thursday goes well x
The words I used were: "sex is hurting me at the moment and I need us to slow down while I sort it out." That's it. No long explanation. He didn't need the full picture straight away. Short and factual worked better than I expected.
I used the phrase "pain during sex" and "a burning feeling that doesn't go away". Short, factual. The GP asked follow-up questions so I didn't have to volunteer everything at once. That helped. Your list sounds thorough. The UTI feeling that never becomes a UTI is worth saying exactly like that.
Just popping back to say thank you, especially Anna. I read all of these with a cup of tea and had a little cry, in a good way. This community is such a relief sometimes.
Slightly different experience here, my GP was a bit dismissive the first time, so just flagging that it can be worth being specific about the cycle changes with dates if you have them. Second appointment went much better when I had written things down. Don't let one unhelpful response put you off. x
Snap. I did exactly this before my last appointment. Wrote it in notes, kept softening the language, then hardened it back up again. Having it on the screen in front of you means you don't have to find the words in the room. Good luck Thursday. x
This is exactly what I needed to read. I've cancelled two appointments because I couldn't work out how to start the conversation. Writing it down beforehand so I don't have to say it out loud is the thing that might actually get me through the door. Thank you for being specific about what you included. x
The list idea is exactly right. I did the same thing. Wrote it all down the night before, handed it over when I couldn't get the words out. GP didn't blink. Writing it down first made it feel less exposing somehow. Well done for going. x
The notes on your phone are a really good idea. I started doing the same thing before appointments because I'd sit down and just go completely blank. Writing "discomfort" versus "pain" is exactly the problem, isn't it. Neither feels right. I ended up writing something like "sharp enough that I avoid it now" and that actually landed better with my GP than anything else I'd tried. x
The list is the right move. Stick to it even if it feels awkward to read from your phone in the room. I did that. GP didn't blink. The UTI feelings that aren't UTIs is worth naming exactly like that. It has a specific clinical name and a GP who knows their stuff will recognise it immediately. Good luck. x
Good. Write it down. These moments are worth recording. x
Welcome Shazia, and well done for posting. Writing it down really is the start, I did exactly the same before my GP appointment. What helped me was jotting the physical stuff down beforehand, dryness, discomfort, that kind of thing, because once I was in the room I went completely blank. The GP was much more matter-of-fact about it than I expected. You're not alone in this x
Snap. I put off saying anything for about eighteen months and then finally just slid a bit of paper across the desk. Felt ridiculous for about ten seconds and then it was just a normal conversation. Your GP has heard it all before, I promise. You are absolutely not being dramatic. Good luck Thursday x
The notes are the right call. I did the same. Slid the paper across the desk and said "I've written it down because I knew I wouldn't say it." GP didn't bat an eyelid. For the partner bit, I kept it very simple. Said it was a physical symptom, like a joint problem, and that it had nothing to do with wanting him. Short sentences seemed to land better than a long explanation. x
The list is the right call. Bring it and hand it over if you freeze. GPs respond better to written symptoms than to someone trying to find the words in the room. GSM is worth naming specifically. It helped me get taken seriously rather than just being told everything was normal for my age. Good luck x
Snap on the phone notes. I started doing this a few months ago, just logging when it was bad and whether it was affecting things with my partner. It helped me see a pattern I hadn't noticed. Also meant I had something concrete to show the GP rather than trying to find the words on the spot.
Please don't stop posting. The women who are further along and still honest about it are the ones I actually learn from. I'm 46 and already wondering if things will ever feel normal again. The Waitrose car park line made me laugh and also want to cry a bit. Thank you for this. x
Snap. I sat in the GP waiting room last year rehearsing it in my head for twenty minutes. In the end I just said "things have got uncomfortable and it's affecting intimacy" and she filled in the rest herself. They really have heard it, and honestly once I got the first three words out she just... took over. You can do this x
The notebook is a genuinely good idea. I took mine in and literally slid it across the desk. Didn't have to say a word, the GP just read it and started asking questions. Much easier than I expected once I stopped trying to find a polite version of what was happening. You've already done the hard part by writing it down honestly. x
Snap. The gradual shift is the hardest part to explain, to a GP or a partner. I ended up just showing my husband a couple of sentences I'd written down rather than trying to say it out loud. Not elegant but it worked. Good luck with the appointment.
Different experience here, I switched patches twice and honestly couldn't tell much difference either time. Night sweats stayed roughly the same. I know that's not what you want to hear but I just didn't want you to panic if settling doesn't happen quickly, sometimes it's just where you are. Still think the note-keeping is a really good idea for GP appointments though. x
The writing it down thing is genuinely useful. I did it before my last GP appointment and it stopped me going blank. Mention the burning specifically, and how long it lasts. GPs respond better to precise detail than vague discomfort. You already know what you want to ask about. Just read it off the paper if you need to. Good luck Thursday. x
I tried something similar after a difficult patch last year, just noting one thing that felt okay each evening. Didn't always manage it but when I did it genuinely shifted the balance a bit. The red top counts. x
The list works. I brought one last year, just bullet points like yours. GP read it properly instead of me fumbling around trying to explain. I'd specifically write down how often it's been uncomfortable and whether it's affecting intimacy, even just those two things. Makes it harder for them to brush past it. Good luck x
Yes. Replens was the one my GP pointed me toward first. It does something but I found it quite thick and it left a residue I wasn't keen on. Moved on to Yes WB after that and found it much more comfortable day to day. Both available on prescription so worth asking. x
I could have written this six months ago. The 3am thing, the heart, the lying there uselessly. I kept blaming work too. Bringing actual written notes to my GP was the thing that finally shifted the conversation. She couldn't just reassure me vaguely when I had dates and a pattern in front of her. You're doing the right thing x
Thank you for writing this down. The part about being frightened in a way you hadn't been since you were a teenager, that's exactly it. I kept thinking I was being dramatic. Good to know the other side exists.
Good. Keep the notepad out. If it helps, I read it back to the GP rather than trying to say it from memory because I just went blank. The recurring UTI symptoms with clear tests is something worth flagging specifically, there was a thread about this recently actually. You've already done the hard part by writing it down.
Snap on the scalp. Mine started itching months before I connected it to anything hormonal. The notes idea is practical, I did the same before a GP appointment and it helped me stay on track instead of going blank. Re the serums, I stopped buying anything with more than about five ingredients I couldn't pronounce. Not saying it works for everyone, just what I did.
The notebook is exactly right. I did the same thing last year and it was the only reason I actually got the words out. Handing it over is a completely valid thing to do, by the way. GPs are used to it. You don't have to say it out loud if you can't. x
Writing it down absolutely helped me. I did the same thing, typed it out the night before and then just handed my GP the piece of paper when I froze. Literally said "I've written some things down, can I just give you this". She read it, didn't bat an eye, and we actually had a proper conversation. The words "discomfort during sex" and "UTI feeling that isn't" are exactly the right kind of specific. You've already done the hard bit. x
I could have written this word for word, minus the postmenopause bit. The rawness afterwards, the dreading rather than wanting. I didn't tell my GP for over a year because I couldn't find the words. When I finally did I just read off my phone. She didn't flinch at all. Bring the list. Literally read it if you have to. x
The notes are a good idea. When I finally said 'painful' out loud to my GP rather than 'a bit uncomfortable' the whole appointment shifted. Worth being specific if you can. The confidence piece too, not just the physical side. GPs need to hear both. x
I had to bring it up myself. GP didn't mention it at all. I wrote it down beforehand so I didn't bottle it and just said 'I have dryness and it's affecting intimacy'. She was completely matter of fact about it, prescribed local oestrogen no fuss. Honestly the dread was worse than the appointment. You can do it x
The notes app is a good idea. I used the words "vaginal dryness" and "pain during sex" with my GP, just stated them directly. She moved straight on to options without any awkwardness at all. I think plain clinical language actually makes it easier, for both of you. Less room for the conversation to go wobbly.
The list idea is good. I brought mine to my GP and it meant I didn't have to find the words on the spot. I just slid the paper across. Re the partner conversation, I kept it simple. Told him things had changed physically, that it wasn't about him, and that I was seeing the GP. That was enough for him to understand without needing detail. x
The GP prep thing, yes. Dates and real examples. I do the same before any appointment now, not just for this, just because otherwise I walk in and my mind goes blank (ironic). Sleep disruption and the cognitive stuff do seem to go together from what I've read in threads here. Hope the consistent bedtime helps even a bit. x
The notes app is a good call. I started doing something similar when I couldn't work out if what I was feeling was constant or just on certain days. Turns out it was pretty constant, which was useful to know. The food connection surprised me too, more than I expected.
What you've written here is almost exactly what I ended up handing to my GP. Literally printed it out and passed it across the desk because I knew I'd go blank the moment she looked at me. She didn't even blink. Just read it and started asking sensible questions. Take the notes in with you. x
The list is a good idea. Specific language helps. "Pain during sex", "recurring UTI-type feelings", "negative dipstick" are exactly the kind of details that move things forward at a GP appointment. x
Hello Aoife, welcome. The notebook thing really resonated. I did exactly the same, wrote it all down, sat in the chair and talked about sleep instead. What finally helped me was handing the notes to my GP rather than reading them out. Just slid the paper across the desk. Felt ridiculous but she read it and we actually talked. You're not being difficult. This is just genuinely hard to say out loud. x
Thank you Sarah, and everyone who replied. This is exactly why I posted. Reading these has made me feel much less ridiculous, and I am adding a few notes before my next appointment.
The photo idea is practical. I did something similar for a different symptom, just to have a record rather than guessing. Writing down what else was going on at the time is smart, the GP always asks questions I'm not prepared for. x
The notebook is a good idea. Take it in with you and just hand it over if you freeze. Some GPs are fine with that. The recurring UTI-that-isn't-a-UTI thing is worth writing down separately as its own symptom, not just alongside the dryness, because it can get missed otherwise. Glad you posted. x
The unpredictability is the hardest part I think. You can't rehearse for it. Good that you're going back to the GP and planning to say the real thing this time. x
Welcome. Writing it down beforehand is exactly the right call. I did the same and it genuinely helped me say things I would never have got out otherwise. The UTI-but-not feeling has a name, GSM, and it's worth putting that on your list too so the GP knows you've done some reading. You're not being dramatic. x
Snap! Baked potatoes. Oven on, forget about it for an hour, teenagers can add their own toppings and you've touched one tray. That's it, that's the post.
Snap on the notes. I'd also say: lead with the symptom that feels most medical, like the UTI feeling, because that tends to open the door to the rest. Once I mentioned that, the GP brought up GSM herself and I didn't have to say the embarrassing bit at all. x
The paper thing is genuinely useful. I did something similar, typed three bullet points on my phone and just passed it across. Less mortifying than I expected. GP didn't react at all, just read it and asked sensible questions. Worth knowing it works before you spend eight months dreading it.
You belong here. The notes idea is exactly right, it gives you something to point at instead of just describing a feeling. Good luck with the GP x
You don't have to type it out. We know. And you're not alone in keeping it from your partner. I did the same for months. The tired excuse is so easy to lean on. What helped me was finally writing it down in notes on my phone first, just for me, before I could say it to anyone else. Small step but it made it feel less unspeakable. x
I started with something really small. Just said "things feel different for me physically at the moment and I'm trying to work it out." That was it. No big speech. He asked a couple of questions and I said I didn't have all the answers yet. It opened a door without me having to walk through the whole thing at once. x
Snap on the packaging thing. Either it looks like a hospital leaflet or there are rose petals on it. Neither helps. I've found a plain water-based one from a well-known pharmacy own brand that does the job without any drama. Not exciting but that's fine. Good luck with the GP appointment, worth being direct about the dryness specifically. x
The notes app thing works. I did the same. It stops you going blank the second you sit down. Glad you said it. It absolutely counts as a medical thing.
Snap. I did exactly this a few months back. Wrote the words dryness and libido on a piece of paper before my appointment so I didn't soften them into nothing when I got there. The list helped. Good that you're catching the pattern now x
Not silly at all. It took me three appointments before I actually said it out loud. Having it written down is the hard bit done. x
Just popping back to say thank you, especially Anna. I read all of these with a cup of tea and had a little cry, in a good way. This community is such a relief sometimes.
Snap. I wrote it on a Post-it and handed it to my GP rather than saying it. She didn't even blink. Worth knowing the clinical term is GSM if that feels easier to say out loud, it's a bit more neutral somehow. x
I run too and by the time I'm back, showered, and have dealt with whoever needs something from me, cooking from scratch is just not happening. Started doing a big chickpea and tomato thing on Sundays. It's not glamorous but it works. x
Joint pain was one of mine too. I run and kept assuming it was that, took me a while to notice it was there even on rest days. Mentioned it to my GP as part of a longer list and she didn't dismiss it. Go with the full list. x
The written notes thing works. I did it too. GP took me more seriously, I didn't forget what I'd come in to say, it changed the whole dynamic. And yes to this run being a real marker. Brain fog on top of running is its own particular misery. Glad something is shifting. x
The notebook is exactly the right move. When I finally got somewhere with my GP it was because I handed her a written list and said I needed her to look at it before we started talking. She couldn't brush past it. Mention the anxiety first, before the night sweats, because that's what's affecting your daily life most. And say the word menopause out loud, early. x
Seven unplanned miles is a different kind of effort on the joints than seven planned. The body doesn't get the memo to prepare. Ice and rest today is probably wise.